Hopefully that would make squids to react. CGtrader is founded upon the best ideas and the people hoe believe in it and keep supporting it no matter what and hard work and determination always win. https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/cathedral-paris-notre-dame-3d-obj/933856?referral=pit_zavra Doesn't seem so. CGTrader is extremely accessible, perhaps too much so for its own good in some lights. Closed my Ts account because it was completely useless and obsolete. However, I will agree that sales here aren't as good as TS. That is true, but im talking if buyer is already familiar with existence of CGTrader, he can reap all the benefits then. So it is, but it's a matter of time and CGTrader will be able to master these positions. This is not a "fight" between NoneCG and Turbosquid, but a struggle between different ways of doing business: the classic closed market or a more open one based on a Fair Business model and full comunication between the producer, the marketer and the customer. because CGTrader team quickly investigate and decided to remove the bad Feeback. This is inherently due to the fact that computers are still very bad when it comes to optimization processes, human brains are far more superior in sorting out things. But at the same time they require all rights to the model, and the model is removed from sale at all sites. Pleas just stand your ground, we need people coming in not leaving out. 2. Also don't forget that people sell their photos and posters too. ,,Checkmate,, from TS was actually invented by Jonathan Lloyd, the person who ruined Pixel SQUID :). CGTrader will have to do so at some point, or people in search of quality models will simply avoid it. There are lots of fun ways can gain points on cg trader . This is why I would opt for a system which includes human sorting out capabilities. 3D Bala - Female Rigged Character 3D model ma, ma, obj, and fbx TurboSquid : , , 3D . I guess CGTrader should send out advertising to the companies, but I'm sure they are doing/done it already. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. This is why: NoneCG will be up for it. See ourPrivacy Policyfor more information. At some point in the past both Turbosquid and The3DStudio had to get through a huge cleansing of their site and removed thousands of objects that were hampering their credibility. But hey thats your call, That's sad, but true. although, the 3d printing industry is growing rapidly :D. I have to agree. [http://www.google.com google5 ] The title says it all!1. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. This way we let buyers know that cgtrader got some interesting stuff. and resurrect it without that 3dprinting nonsense. Turbosquid immediately shuts any links down. [/quote] Thanks for dropping by and great news about an eventual homepage re-design. It is likely that people will want to try out new things in their stores from time to time. Hmm, i went to your profile and i see no negative feedback. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/cgtrader.com, https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/landmark/notre-dame-de-paris-cathedral-61d97afb1b1a62861673c23f15b75c12, https://www.facebook.com/ActiveKetoGummiesAustraliaWebsite. Why should the artist suffer? I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? That basically says paying customers aren't allowed access to supposedly "free" items. Lots of people buy posters to print and put on their walls especially students. Thanks for sharing Your experience and thoughts. Realistic Female 3D Model. We previously sent you final warnings about your non-compliance with our Best Prices policy. What I read on different forums seems obvious, exclusivity no longer pays. A little more than a year passed since our public disagreement with Turbosquid policies and behavior that ended our relationship as content creator and reseller. At the moment i think its more a community of sellers and not so much of buyers. Professional Rigged 3D Female Models Toggle Navigation; 3D Models New & Unrated Rigged Price. Turbosquid is the exact opposite. I'm probably leaving this site for good, but it won't be because of you guys - it's because of the site itself. Yes CGtrader is great! A very interesting idea about the stores and collections. [link="http://www.google.com"]google1[/link] You can upload a 20 mb large model here with 3 formats, 20 photos, 100 wording text, 20 tags in around 20 minutes. If you think life is hard as a buyer you should try modeling for a living Making any money is a truly miserable experience. I'll ask my friend to get in touch with you for the unsolved support, as I think it is him who has to do that - not me. Batman (Rig) for Maya 10. . You don't even seem to get reputation points for purchasing items, assuming I've read the page correctly, and if that is the case it's just dumb. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. I'm not a modeler, I come here to buy models and this site is surprisingly obtuse when it comes to layout. Royalty rate of CGTrader allows the seller to make a model cheaper than on TurboSquid. They call that "3D Industry" on the download report .. it's rare but it's happend (one time for me) Brittney @captainmarlowe Thanks a lot for a lot of valid points regarding search and categorization! Anybody else suffered the same blows to their sales in the same months as the web updates? This conversation has me glued to my monitor, all very well spoken and nailed down to the core. The conclusion seems, that clients are either more familiar with Tsquid, or that TSquid offers something else that is so valuable that even a much lower price doesn't matter. However, if you are found to be out of compliance again, your collection will be taken offline for a more extended period of time. To me it feels like he is amongst us and we are performing a team effort. It takes way too long to put up any files. Our "power struggles" with Turbosquid stopped the moment Matt Wisdom banned our account and we stoped doing business, however that doesn't alter our will to expose this kind of business practices. I'd rather look into ways to create my own site, cause it's a bit tedious to sift through neverending site rules from neverending projects. This is due to discrimination in the pricing policy of the "TS" site. Yes, CG Trader is the best now some bugs should be solved. At one hand I could think this was indeed evidence that Ts had some clients that do not know about CGt. i think modeli unique and has need to be bought depend on the buyers not the seller Regarding the support case, perhaps you could share the exact details on the case by a message or email to me (dalia@cgtrader.com) - we would like to look more into it and ensure that no cases like that are unsolved. I remember fighting them at length to try to put my brand name withing the model description or my website link and eventually lost the battle. My initial idea was that Ts had some clients that do not know anything outside of Ts. My personal experience, having had a short stint as a 3d print seller on Turbosquid, is that they paint with way too broad a brush when it comes to potential IP infringement. People may think that having that option makes it more likely for sellers to see their work by placing their models in the incorrect category but actually that just irritates buyers who may just go elsewhere to buy. IMHO that is main area where CGT must up their game significantly. CGtrader staff admits to some degree to this problem (see the comment of Dalia Lasaite) and promises to redesign the homepage. CGtrader is everything Ts is not, CGtader is fair, its open and communicative in all directions, its an inexpensive service, its new and more efficient, has lots of exiting tools, have more sales and get to keep bigger part, its growing fast, its updating and improving fast, etc, etc,. Maybe I live in an unrealistic parallel reality, where at least some people still have some dignity and know how and when to differentiate good vs evil and take a public stand with actions instead of just words. Does anyone sale something on Cgtrader?where are customers. This use is prohibited if the virtual world-type is an open MMO, like Second Life. It sells almost nothing, except, perhaps, with very low prices. How about all products here have no restriction Google search.etc. I removed the download limit until we update the protection so that buyers can download much larger quantities of free models. This industry really needs a giant hub were al CGpeople (weather young and inexperienced ore diehard veterans) can communicate, learn, trade, fundraise and collaborate. Please let us know if you have any feedback. And saying only nice words won't help them much. If anyone has been to New York they will have noticed that Fao Swartz a toy store in the center of Manhattan is creating 3D printable action figures. [google14]url:http://www.google.com. He bought a cheap product (with a fake account) and post a bad rating. It seems to me that over time a CGTrader will be able to overtake TurboSquid in many positions, if TS does not change its policy. Another thing that drove me crazy about Turbosquid was how you couldn't promote any of your social media and it made it very difficult to get your clients from let's say Facebook and Twitter to notice your artwork. @tomislavveg, that is very true, but as marvimation already mentioned, CGT first have to draw those buyers to its web, otherwise there's not much use from all those benefits if there's no buyers who could reap them :]. You need to find what you want based on category and budget and purchase it quickly so you can use the product or send it to who will. I tried to edit the obj for him and renounced because of the bad quality, especially, UVs and material names that were impossible to edit, such as mat000_0571 and other flaws ; he also bought a model of a bad quality from TS but was offered a refund immediately even on a sunday ; he posted his experience on our forum ; needless to say that others members of this community won't consider, now, CGTrader as a top quality website), same with people starting everyday a new irrelevant thread on the forums just to take advantage of the reputation system, which was a good idea, but which was hijacked by some unscrupulous sellers. This is a photorealistic high-quality 3D full-body scan female character, rigged People SixPack 003 - Photogrammetry Population Character Rig, max blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, City People x500 Static Poses Lowpoly ArchViz, 20x LOW POLY CASUAL ELEGANT SITTING WOMAN MAN PEOPLE CROWD, Realistic White Male and Female Head Bundle. So the staff there tries to work To my amazement something ells also happened, there where still a few people buying my more expensive models on Ts. It's an example of waste of human recourses and time, because how many more are performing this same conversion work without telling? stores with its own labels for 3D printing, 3D stock, crowdfunding, game models maybe even concept designs, sound files, storytellers, code for making apps, 3D scripts, etc) Each of this stores would then again have subcategories (e.g. CGTrader is bather as a platform and like I wrote above if we help in couple of months will overcome TS on search engines, which will also increase our sales. Think about the best online stores today when people search for lamps on Amazon they will only find lamps in their search and that is why they keep buying on Amazon because it is a highly efficient and professional site where the buyers don't get lost or frustrated looking for what they want and can spend their time searching for the best quality product based on their budget. Payment Method I agree that these two parts - CG and 3D printing should be split at least externally/ visually. Especially if the buyer asks to change something in the configuration of models or to clarify details. Hello. - Limiting free objects to, let's say licensed objects like Stars Wars or Lego or whatever in an unlimited number, but to a few when it comes to "showcase" objects, let's say, 4 to 5 per designer, to help potential buyer judge the overall quality of the seller objects There are tons of things better here on CGtrader, most notably we get served very well for extremely low cost. Turbosquid has a bot spying cgtrader prices. What makes Cg-trader better than Turbosquid? If CGtrader's advertisement budget is a problem, a Crowdfunding round may help. I'm also active for some time on other marketplaces as well (e.g. The designers make a deal with each other and negotiate a percentage on the sales. To be honest, when I first found this site a few days ago I was really excited. Yes indeed! And at the same time, if they periodically do something here, try to add something new, then the TS, as long as I remember it, does not particularly try to become convenient (But at the same time it takes most of the profit !!!). What I mean is CGt isn't rely making products, it is offering a sales platform and leaves the problem salving involving product issues (between sellers and buyers) to the product developers themselves (in theory) and in doing so minimizing/reducing overhead in sales. My sales are not still on par with TS, but I haven't published new models for quite some time, because I only have time to create models to enter challenges from time to time. The fact that you can upload models immediately rather than waiting 3 months for them to get reviewed by some random people that won't have the time + the website design and the community inside CGTrader. ", Exactly, no one knows the model better than the one who made this model. Ts went head on and contacted me (I was probably among list of targeted folks at that time, Ts previously also contacted me to make some shady deals which I rejected), now they requested me to lower my prices according to new price grantee model. This is new era, time of old fashioned corporatism is going to be over. The reason the model is sold at low price .some models have so many other sellers which can lose models value . Let me explain - I like the look of the models here, but the site is even designed so end users, like me, can't even download more that 10 "free" items unless they've uploaded models of their own, written tutorials, posted topics to the forum (which is difficult if you're not an actual modeler) and/or jumped through about 1,500 other ridiculous hoops to get enough "reputation" points. The clients like to waste money for a more expensive model at TSquid, perhaps knowing that the artist will get shafted with a measly 40% return, and that's that. It certainly is an interesting read all together, thanks for documenting it so well and make the whole thing public, although I hope you don't stay embarked on a power struggle whit Ts management. Of course if you are buying models for the next Transformers movie the poly count won't matter that much because those models may be 500,000 each and you have almost unlimited resources to run those. You are just providing a platform." If you have any questions about these. In response he founded this place on the core principal that the artist would come first. The duality of 3D printing/CGmodels is a very complex marriage. Right now, low quality models flooding this site are attracting the low budget people - that's certainly why high quality objects with pricings in accordance don't sell that much. We'll let you know about that soon - all CGT sellers will receive via email, so stay tuned! Matt Wisdom describes Turbosquid as "a sort of Ebay" when in fact Turbosquid works exactly the same as classic "supermarket providers" where the reseller profits the most from the producers by keeping them totally apart from the customers. You are clearly one of the professional buyers who doesn't take advantage of the system but there are so many out there who do that and 3D sites are beginning to try to safe guard their artist's work by not making it so easy to just get everything you want for free. Buyer can contact seller directly, which can save him/her lot's of time and frustrations. You have to realize that TS is recognized by autodesk and even had a direct tab link to their site in max itself. User experience and User interface is much better to manage your store, and higher royalty. Like time spent on searching models or ability to get profesional support 24/7. - Moderating some pointless threads opened by people using CGtrader as an advertising platform for their own website without even selling a single object here 5. Regards, 3. - CGTrader pays a LOT more than TS; TS *keeps* 60% unless you sell exclusively on their site and join their "Squid Guild". This site is bloated with 3D print ready models, crap models and "adult content / i cant see it". It always depends on how you look at this industry from your point of view: - Are you into this market trying to make a living out of it? When pressed, Turbosquid could give no clearer specification than "it is too similar". Many do not search the net, they go directly to TS and search there for models. $300 + (280) $200 to $300 (315) $100 to . http://content.screencast.com/users/Lenwe/folders/Default/media/d7b76144-43db-4cbe-b27b-8ea42b3a7cb0/TurboSquid_Low_Sales.png Free models are posted for lots of different reasons, not just only to serve as an example to show of artist modeling skills/quality of work (sample data). Fact is and I have been saying it for years is that there is a super limited amount of people who care about 3D. I tried to contact the buyer several times with no response. But i think CGT nows that pretty well, that's why they decided to bring changes in royalty policy and hopefully they will steer additional cash flow towards making this stock market more attractive to the buyers. They simply do not get the idea that Turbosquid is just another reseller for the real product developers, and Turbosquid management and "rules" promote exactly that. tax on top of a high 60% that TS keeps. I think I like the another item the modeler has created (Modern Villa), but that item is $40. My initial stance on this was, ok fine then my Ts account can stay up for those few that seemingly do not know anything ells outside of Ts. Also you need to think about the advantage of not having to worry about shipping costs etc with digital art. This would have probably be true for newcomers 5 years ago, but now that is different. A possible solution for potential buyers looking to sample the work of sellers, would be for sellers to have their free sample models at a low minimal price instead of free. You can enter multiple email addresses separated by commas, Thank you for shopping at TurboSquid. While i've heard that TS support isn't that great in practice and they always tend to exploit sellers, but impression that they're making on buyers must be really good. They bring answers to your problems or requests quite fast and in a very convivial way. https://vimeo.com/739678 Turbosquid has terrible royalty rates You can change your subscription preferences at any time in the account settings. Everything is more and more coming down to individual levels of very friendly and much more human communication. But we forgot about the buyers. In CGtrader you can accumulate many until you set up payment agreement. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/landmark/notre-dame-de-paris-cathedral-61d97afb1b1a62861673c23f15b75c12, All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. Let's give some time to time. Chat with Support 24/7 They customize those figures anyway you want. @Urecky, while i'm agree with you in general, let me argue on some specific points. The response back was, if they are not adjusted end of the week then we will adjust them. I was thinking about searching for specific 3d models through a site like Google, not generic visitation standing of a whole site, which in itself doesn't tell anything about what clients look for. and we lived the evolution of Turbosquid from being a pioneer of the 3D assets market working alongside the real content developers to become a typical corporation with financial backing from angel investors that only cares about financial results and is trying to strive the 3D market towards a monopoly where they can control both the producers and the customers, where acting as just a middleman gets Turbosquid the most profit from both. Bottom line is if people are used to buying from TS they won't buy here because they need to use a different system so let's create our own client base. I hope ideas of exclusivity get replaced by inclusive ones all over the globe. Having said that creating models of that high end quality is quite the burden on 3D modelers who just do it as a hobby or work 3D part time so a lot of artists are moving away from TS because they can't sell their regular models on there anymore. Respect and good luck to everyone who is here! On Ts we get served for extreme large cost and rather badly frankly said. - Once in a while, alert all designers that a cleaning operation will be made, and wipe out objects that are of a too bad quality or copyright infringements. I think that they keep the 3D models as a curtsey only or to serve as samples that could at a later date be turned into prints. I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. Also, trying to find an item that I already saw through the search is near impossible. what you say doesn't make any sense because CGTrader has a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all models as far as I know. [url=http://www.google.com]google2[/url] Some may post their old stuff they just don't want to ask money for, consequentially it is also not representative of the work they currently do. The people at the top of the pyramid scheme bully all the new modelers who show any sales success because they barely scrape by as it is so it is really bad work environment to work for Turbosquid is not worth your time. That's how they won and that is how you succeed in business. We made this limitation to protect our designers from leechers who download hundreds of free models and then try to monetize them in some other way. Fantasy is a bit better, but sic-fi gets me 10 copyright infringements on the first page alone (star wars characters, mainly). They already sell 3D printers on amazon so it isn't a far stretch to just add the models in the suggested items that go with 3D printers. And therefore it doesnt matter where it is. CGtrader is just better in all possible ways. I know I personally would be Heh.. that's another topic but my top selling model is nude. In response to your comments kanga, I would like to add this to the conversation. I wouldn't ever use their site just on principle. Get this item for $ when you bundle it with the items in your cart. If they can sell on craigslist, amazon, ebay, walmart, target, toysrus etc Of course they would only sell the 3D printable toys there, either to be printed or already printed then yes all of a sudden 3D printing would be come more relavant and profitable. Some points for and against. Better for who? Comment goo's like this, quote "Awesome model, converted this guy over into maya and he looks great" end quote. But there are questions that are not achievable for TS, and they will not go to such steps, and it is this: 1. If you have any questions about these. I like, CG Trader is ascent. former the 3d studio, 3D export, creative crash and Turbosquid). just 2 years ago still existed. I'm done with them. The motivation to backlink and make marketing efforts for the own store (and the collective trademark ad the same time) would probable also increase. My price at the time was same both on Ts as on CGt but after some time position on CGt got better and sales was picking up. It is also my favorite 3D site but some things need to be fixed before they can overtake some of the other sites. The staff on CG Trader seem to be very active and listen to ideas from the community, so I will try to find time and post some ideas on how the problem could be solved. From moment I have enough things to sell here, I would come clean with myself and close my TS account with great pleasure. On other hand I could also think its just some clients that do not care about the price difference, they just prefer using the Ts account. While sellers will be disadvantaged in many interests. You can just buy and return it if it is not to your satisfaction. Care to share your time machine? Saied this couple of times in the past, leverage the difference in royalty to provide a slightly better offer over here, otherwise customers hoe have a Ts account will see no need to make one here to buy same model for same price. If you're searching for a regular model, you have to click on the little icon "CG models", but nothing changes on the page when you do so. Maybe you think my words are disproportionate or naive but mark them now. royalty scale you work up on is all very cool the fact you can print here sell files here and stream files all on one listing CG TRADER FOR THE WIN!!! just needs more publicity.. us designers need to market the site with our products at the rate one of my designs is going ill have more facebook likes/shares than the website itself has on one design Payment Method I want to say the following. If I am searching for a 3D model, I am not interested in 3D printing services, and vice versa. - Fixing some guidelines to upload quality models (at least assuring that obj models, for instance, if textured, should have a proper .mtl file, limiting the models to quads/tris, imposing materials and textures to have understandable names, etc. Using TurboSquid products in Browser based games. Without checkmate Turbosquid would have gone out of business. @ Supercigaleha, ha, a good point about ,,the famous CheckMate,, :) TS . I tested it with golden palace, clothing and various hair, other textures, they all worked fine August 22, 2022 at 6:03 am #1859211 Sabrina Participant Rank: @Goblyn Glad you enjoy it! I will very much want to peruse. CGtrader better is : Design,User friendly,royalties etc all better . Renderer: Cyclse. Don't forget those young people are going to shape the future of this market and if we want to have a flourishing market then we need lots of well trained people in it. And IMHO search is an area where CGT shoul focus first. Sales dropped to almost nothing. It is pretty difficult to find what you want but if you are only looking for free models then CGTrader's search engine is far better than Turbosquid. I'm probably leaving this site for good, but it won't be because of you guys - it's because of the site itself. According to TS "Marmoset Toolbag's watermark" is an overlay and a no no. Got my model (https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/furniture/cabinet/handles-vol-01-pbr) To me this was a sign that people know about CGt and that users have at least two accounts. My opinions have evoluted over the months. But i think its not only the responsability of cgtrader to turn this around. Yep.. Gumroad. Putting 3D printing as the main product range on first page doesn't help, as has been noted. Well, it was more than one year ago that I last intervened on this thread. Ebay and Amazon would be great for the cartoony non realistic stuff as well as 3D prints so long as people make sure to document the files appropriately and let people know it is 3D and not real. I don't think it's possible to have WORKING site with both 3d printing and classic models.
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