He was a gentle man. Sonny was definitely a specimen. Ali did neither. I didn't think it was a powerful punch when I saw the fight from ringside," he said. He said that Liston was not quick with his hand or footwork, that he relied too much on his ability to take a punch, and that he could be vulnerable to an opponent with more hand speed. Boston: Little, Brown. Sonny Liston Interview - YouTube Underworld connections and his unrecorded dates of birth and death added to the enigma. [71] Credence to the latter theory is provided by the fact that Liston, immediately after his fight with Chuck Wepner, seemed more concerned about supporting the proposed Ali-Frazier bout and Ali's claims to be champion than promoting his own career. Liston was depicted as a bad guy by the media, a handbreaker for the mafia. The fight quickly descended into chaos. Liston had thrown a jab with his left arm and, leaning forward, took a right hook from Ali right to the skull. It is hardly the first recording by a rock musician about boxing. [101], Liston played a fist fighter in the 1965 film Harlow, made a cameo appearance in the 1968 film Head, which starred The Monkees, and played the part of The Farmer in the 1970 film Moonfire, which starred Richard Egan and Charles Napier. Rocky Marciano, the former heavyweight champion, said that he appreciated the punchs strength upon re-examination. So I went down. Rare interview of Sonny Liston colorized. The mysterious life of Sonny Liston : r/Boxing - Reddit Audiences at home were confused and outraged. He then left the fighters to go over to McDonough. Also, McDonough did not bang on the canvas or motion a number count with his fingers. There's something really primal about the whole thing, obviously. "[35] Although largely illiterate through lack of schooling, Liston was a more complex and interesting individual than has often been acknowledged. Very rare interview of Sonny Liston talking about how he got started in boxing, his fights with Williams and Patterson and his training routine. According to Liston's trainer, Willie Reddish, Liston cancelled a planned tour to Africa in 1963 because he refused to get the required inoculations. He is a relatively elementary, one-track fighter." Ali biographer Wilfrid Sheed wrote, in his Muhammad Ali: A Portrait in Words and Photographs, that Liston planned to throw the fight for reasons unknown and used the legitimate first-round knockdown for that end. He said they found Liston lying on his bed with a needle sticking out of his arm. Sonny Liston Interview in Color - YouTube [83] Herb Goldman stated that Liston, when in his prime between 1958 and 1963, was the most feared fighter in boxing history. [70] There have been a number of unproven theories as to the background to the purported dive including that Liston was threatened by the Muslims, or agreed to lose in return for a share in the more marketable Ali's future purses. Name: Sonny Liston Birth Name: Charles L. Liston Hometown: Saint Louis, Missouri, USA Birthplace: Johnson Township, Arkansas, USA Died: 1970-12-30 (Age:40) Stance: Orthodox Height: 185cm Reach: 213cm Referee: Record Pro Boxer: Record Amateur Boxer: Record Managers: Jack Nilon, Joe (Pep) Barone, Eddie Polino, George Katz, Frank Mitchell, Dick Sadler The ending of the fight remains one of the most controversial in boxing history. "There was nothing Sonny feared more than a needle. . Clay confessed later he had been hurt by the punch, but Liston was unable to press his advantage home. Gary Beckwith said, "It wasn't uncommon for family members in these cases to go through and tidy up to save family embarrassment. One Journalist's Attempt To Solve 'The Murder Of Sonny Liston' - WBUR I don't think there was any way for him to beat Clay at that time, but if he entered the ring in a different mindset, to box and not try and get him like Patterson and others, he could of went the distance. Tosches, Nick (2000). ", Liston appeared on the December 1963 cover of Esquire magazine (cover photograph by Carl Fischer) "the last man on earth America wanted to see coming down its chimney".[106]. Liston captured the Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions on March 6, 1953, with a victory over 1952 Olympic Heavyweight Champion Ed Sanders. "[54] Hall of Fame matchmaker Teddy Brenner also disputed the shoulder injury, claiming he saw Liston use the same arm to throw a chair in his dressing room after the match. At the IBHOF, the casts of Listons hands were bigger than Lennox Lewis' which were also gigantic. Larry Merchant, then a writer with the Philadelphia Daily News, wrote: "A celebration for Philadelphia's first heavyweight champ is now in order. Convention Center, Winchester, Nevada, U.S. Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, Missouri, U.S. Municipal Auditorium, Miami Beach, Florida, U.S. St. Louis Arena, St. Louis, Missouri, U.S. Midwest Gymnasium, Chicago, Illinois, U.S. Pittsburgh Gardens, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S. New Masonic Temple, St. Louis, Missouri, U.S. Motor City Arena, Detroit, Michigan, U.S. Sources vary on his reach, with some listing it as 80in, Reputations: Sonny Liston: The Champion Nobody Wanted (2001), 50 min, BBC Documentary, Mailer: A Biography By Mary V. Dearborn, page 186. Ali called it "the anchor punch." Sonny Liston is considered by many as the most intimidating boxer of all time with a devastating jab which is widely regarded as one of the best in heavyweight history. Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston: The Controversial Fight Behind Their [91] Coroner Mark Herman said traces of heroin byproducts were found in Liston's system, but not in amounts large enough to have caused his death. A sudden violent combination delivered with 30 seconds left in the round electrified the crowd. He was paroled after serving six months of a nine-month sentence, and was not prohibited from boxing during 1957. "The public is not with me. Subsequently, Liston spent some months in Denver where a Catholic priest who acted as his spiritual adviser attempted to help bring his drinking under control. He claimed the officer used racial slurs. What are you doing? Did Sonny Liston Take a Dive in His Second Muhammad Ali - Sportscasting Sheed says that the punch and the knockdown "may have been genuine, but when referee Joe Walcott blew the count and gave him all evening to get up, Liston's rendition of a coma wouldn't have fooled a possum. For his part, Liston said that the referees inability to keep track of time doomed him, as he didnt know when to get up from the mat. Because of the shirt he wore during robberies, the St. Louis police called Liston the "Yellow Shirt Bandit." In the 2015 British crime film Legend, Liston is played by Mark Theodore in a scene where gangster Reggie Kray poses for a picture with the boxer. Joe Louis commenting on TV at ringside said "It's looking good for Sonny Liston". "[35] However, in 1963 in the aftermath of the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing, Liston broke off a European boxing exhibition tour to return home and was quoted as saying he was "ashamed to be in America. Genuinely kind mobster who had been convicted of armed robbery and assault. His defense was described as "the gate-crossing of arms la Archie Moore. His eyes swept the whole scene. Knopfler said he enjoys boxing and other sports but reflected on a conversation he had with a friend about the fights. Traduo Context Corretor Sinnimos Conjugao Conjugao Documents Dicionrio Dicionrio Colaborativo Gramtica Expressio Reverso Corporate ", Hutchison, Phillip J. [45][46] A clearly angered Liston rallied at the end of the round when Clay seemed tired, delivering punishing body shots. [94], On January 1, Liston's wife, Geraldine, called Johnny Tocco and said she had not heard from her husband in three days and was worried. His family's home state of Arkansas did not make birth certificates mandatory until 1965. In that same book Liston was quoted two years after the fight: "Ali knocked me down with a sharp punch. [36], Jack Dempsey spoke for many when he was quoted as saying that Sonny Liston should not be allowed to fight for the title. [61] The new date was set for May 25, 1965. Mike DeJohn was the highest paid boxer at $15,000 while James Dickey received $20,000. Sonny Liston: The Tragic Story of a Terrifying Man The most iconic photo in boxing history documents the knockout that almost nobody saw happen. He then outpointed Julius Griffin, winner of the New York Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions, to capture the Intercity Golden Gloves Championship on March 26 (representing Chicago). Two of the best-known are "The Boxer" by Simon and Garfunkel and "Hurricane" by Bob Dylan. At one point, Clay was wiping his eyes with his right hand while extending his left arm"like a drunk leaning on a lamppost" Bert Sugar wroteto keep Liston at bay. I dont have to be what you want me to be, Clay told agitated reporters. Although the opening round saw Clay largely on the defensive, it was soon established that Clay could reverse roles quickly and take to the offensive with a remarkably fast series of combinations delivered to Liston's head. Liston had never been knocked out before, and most people didnt even see the punch happen. Liston did eventually rise from the mat, but soon after, the referee broke up the two boxers once again the former champion had been down for more than 10 seconds, ending the fight. A wax model of Liston appears in the front row of the iconic sleeve cover of the Beatles' Sgt. [32] Ironically, Patterson's manager, Cus D'Amato, associated with racketeers and had his manager's license revoked by the New York State Athletic Commission for alleged misconduct in connection with the Floyd PattersonIngemar Johansson title fight in June 1959. Sonny Liston, I think was possibly the greatest intimidator of all time. In his 1965 rematch with Ali, Liston suffered an unexpected first-round knockout that led to unresolved suspicions of a fix. One memo, dated 24 May 1966, outlined an interview with Houston gambler Barnett Magids, who believed Liston would win. ", Chuck Wepner on Liston's intimidating appearance. Naturally, they decided that Ali would take on Liston. That got him killed. [67] Some felt the knockdown was real but the knockout was fake. "You're putting things on and you're taking this out and molding it," Knopfler said. "I remember him telling me one day that he found himself watching boxing but he didn't like the way it made him feel," Knopfler said. He particularly resented a 1961 arrest by a black patrolman for loitering, claiming to have merely been signing autographs and chatting with fans outside a drugstore. Liston kept running into trouble with the law and Ali had a target on his back after the assassination of Malcolm X, whom he had disavowed after Elijah Muhammad forced him out of the Nation of Islam. [72], "I was an 'intimidator' until I fought Sonny Liston. Liston's story, Knopfler said, "is great for a writer for many reasons. [43] A month later, Liston was accused of impersonating a police officer by using a flashlight to wave down a female motorist in Fairmount Park, although all charges were later dropped. "[98], Some claim Liston was murdered. Rogin discounted speculation that Patterson had thrown the fight, writing: "The genesis of all this wide-eyed theorizing and downright baloney was the fact that many spectators failed to see the knockout blows. [20], Liston signed a contract in September 1953, proclaiming: "Whatever you tell me to do, I'll do. "He was afraid of needles," echoed Father Edward Murphy. It was probably Liston's best moment in the entire fight. And the face, it was an unforgettable face. But a Senate subcommittee hearing turned up no evidence of any match-fixing, and doctors confirmed his explanation that hed taken such damage to his shoulder that he couldnt feel his arm. He could probably drive his thumb through your skull like Michael Myers, It's crazy to think about the fact that Sonny Liston was an actual gangster running with gangs.. and then he looks so soft spoken in the interview. A dominant contender of his era, he became the world heavyweight champion in 1962 after knocking out Floyd Patterson in the first round, repeating the knockout the following year in defense of the title; in the latter fight he also became the inaugural WBC heavyweight . "I was rooting around in my childhood, maybe the way you do when you get to a certain age," Knopfler said. "Nat Fleischer [editor of The Ring] was sitting beside McDonough and he was waving his hands, too, saying it was over." Roy Harris, who had gone 13 rounds with Floyd Patterson in a title match, was crushed in one round by Liston. Liston said he quit because of a shoulder injury. He said it was taught to him by comedian and film actor Stepin Fetchit, who learned it from Jack Johnson. 1 contender in 1960, but the handlers of world heavyweight champion Floyd Patterson refused to give him a shot at the title because of Liston's links to organized crime. Suffolk County, where Boston is located, ultimately pulled the plug, leaving them without a venue with less than a month to go. The second round saw Liston continue to pursue Clay. Who are the four people who knocked out Sonny Liston? One memo, dated 24 May 1966, outlined an interview with Houston gambler Barnett Magids, who believed Liston would win. Any objective observer would have had to concede that Ali's counterpunch had landed, and landed with enough force to turn Liston's head, Rob Sneddon wrote in The Phantom Punch: The Story Behind Boxing's Most Controversial Bout. The Devil and Sonny Liston. The torn tendon had bled down into the mass of the biceps, swelling and numbing the arm. Before he left for his bout with Clay, Sonny's training in Denver took him to some strange places. The fight lasted four seconds longer than the first one. There were plenty of tough questions after the first fight for Liston, too, namely, why didnt he come out for another round? More on that in a second. Dr. Alexander Robbins, chief physician for the Miami Beach Boxing Commission, diagnosed Liston with a torn tendon in his left shoulder. You really never watched the first fight did you? World light-heavyweight champion Jos Torres said, "It was a perfect punch." The fight ranks as one of the shortest heavyweight title bouts in history. [62] The promoters needed a new location quickly, whatever the size, to rescue their closed-circuit television commitment around the country. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Sonny Liston shot a gun at Muhammad Ali. And it was probably for the best ticket-buyers didnt exactly get their moneys worth. On May 5, 1956, a policeman confronted Liston and a friend about a cab parked near Liston's home. 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[8], Liston turned to crime and led a gang of thugs who committed muggings and armed robberies. The rumors swirling nearly canceled the fight the night prior, and when a reporter that morning broke tradition and asked if Clay was a member of the Black Muslims, as the group was often called, the boxer confirmed his new religion. "[82] Johnny Tocco, a trainer who worked with George Foreman and Mike Tyson as well as Liston, said Liston was the hardest hitter of the three. My man. He died circa December 30,. Sonny Liston - Wikipedia At one point in this attack, Liston was rocked as he was driven to the ropes. Night Train is like $11 on Amazon, peep that if you want to get more of the story, i don't like how max was squeezing sonny's bicep. [99] (3) The mob promised Liston some money to throw the second Ali fight, but they never paid him. [39] Leading up to the fight, Liston was an 85 betting favorite, although many picked Patterson to win. said Liston's Philadelphia dentist, Dr. Nick Ragni. [84], Liston married Geraldine Chambers in St. Louis, Missouri, on September 3, 1957. Then again, you can also have guys like Ali or Mike Tyson. [10][11] It has been suggested Liston himself may not have known what year he was born, as he was not precise on the matter. ", One of the most vivid verses creates a word-picture of Liston in his prime with photographic clarity: "Black Cadillac, alligator boots, money in the pockets of his sharkskin suits." [29] Machen's taunting and his spoiling tactics of dodging and grapplingat one point almost heaving Liston over the ropesso alienated the audience that Liston received unaccustomed support from the crowd. The Murder of Sonny Liston is an absorbing, albeit speculative, attempt at addressing the mystery that died with the man. Liston assaulted the officer, breaking his knee and gashing his face. and he was pointing at some little bandage over the needle mark in his arm. "He was scared of the police. [11][12][10][13][14] One writer concluded that Liston's most plausible date of birth was July 22, 1930, citing census records and statements from his mother during her lifetime. There are echoes of slavery in his upbringing." He also went with a new manager in 1958: Joseph "Pep" Barone, who was a front man for mobsters Frankie Carbo and Frank "Blinky" Palermo. Book Review: Was Sonny Liston Murdered? - The Arts Fuse When Machen clinched in . After demolishing these top-ranked fighters in the heavyweight division, Liston was regarded as the top-contender champion-in-waiting. Sonny Liston in Denver, Colorado. ", Ali clearly did not think he knocked Liston out. He allegedly later told an assistant that he took a dive because he was afraid of the consequences of beating Ali he thought it would put a target on his own back. Many in attendance did not see Ali deliver the punch. During these same years Sonny Liston was on the comeback trail as well. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Gallender claimed, "A lot of officers knew Sonny was dead before Geraldine returned home on January 5, but they chose to let him rot. [100] A successful racehorse which won the Irish St Leger classic race in 2021 was named Sonnyboyliston. Beat me to it! The commotion was not lost on referee Barney Felix, who was walking toward Clay's corner. ", This page was last edited on 7 February 2023, at 06:36. Helen had one child before she married Tobe, and Tobe had 13 children with his first wife. In these feckless clinches he only managed to tie up one of Liston's arms. In his sixth bout, he faced ranked heavyweight Johnny Summerlin (18-1-2) on national television and won in an eight-round decision. "He told me in the strictest confidence, but it was like he wanted to get it off his chest." Theories regarding the circumstance of Liston's death. "I'm doing a portrait of a life, really, in a way, so you are trying to get the whole thing into just a few verses. Officially, Liston died of lung congestion and heart failure. Very rare interview of Sonny Liston talking about how he got started in boxing, his fights with Williams and Patterson and his training routine. [34] Many African-Americans disdained Liston. Muhammad Ali: FBI probed 1964 Sonny Liston fight for match-fixing #muhammadali #henrycooper #sonnyliston #dougjones #heavyweight #greatness #boxing #legend #larryholmes #ironmike #sonnyliston #intimidating #bad #big #greatb. I forgot about the rules." But others contend he just was not the same Liston. "There is power in both his left and his right, even though the fists move with the languor of motoring royalty or as if passing through a gaseous envelope more dense than air." Many in the small crowd had not even settled in their seats when the fight was stopped. He was 6ft 1in (1.85m), and had an exceptionally powerful physique, with a disproportionately long reach at 84 inches (2.13m). He is seen in the far left part of the row, wearing a white and gold robe, standing beside the original-look Beatle wax figures. ", Still, some found it hard to believe that the punch could have floored a man like Liston. THE PREFIGHT MOODS OF SONNY LISTON - Sports Illustrated Stuttgarter Amtsblatt No. [60] The extent to which Liston's heavy drinking and possible drug use may have contributed to his surprisingly poor performances against Ali is not known.[15]. There was something caustic in both eyes." After two rounds, Wilson had taken enough. At that point, the fight was scored as even on the official scorecards. (4) Liston was supposed to take a dive when he fought Chuck Wepner six months earlier, and killing him was payback for his failure to do so. [10] His family, but not one Charles (or Sonny) Liston, can be found in the 1930 census, and in the 1940 census he was listed as 10 years old. One mile up on a mountain 13 miles west of Denver is the Shrine of Mother Cabrini. I never saw. The following year, Sonnydetermined to reunite with his mother and siblingsthrashed the pecans from his brother-in-law's tree and sold them in Forrest City, Arkansas. Sonny Liston interview with Max Goldberg before his fight with Cassius Muhammad Ali (at the time a rising contender named Cassius Clay), however, predicted a knockout by Liston in the first five rounds. While valuing the photograph, appraiser Kathleen Guzman told. Sonny Liston Interview 82,818 views Apr 2, 2014 1.3K Dislike Share Save haNZAgod 93.2K subscribers Subscribe A rare interview with former Heavyweight champion of the world, Sonny Liston.. "[35], Patterson and Liston had a rematch clause in their contract. "Better get me out of this ring," exclaimed Wilson, "he is going to kill me! Create Space Independent Publishing Platform. For confetti we can use torn-up arrest warrants." Liston knocked out Hermann Schreibauer of West Germany at 2:16 of the first round. Sports Illustrated predicted a Patterson victory in 15 rounds, stating: "Sonny has neither Floyd's speed nor the versatility of his attack. It was a good punch, but I didn't think I hit him so hard that he couldn't have gotten up. Cleveland Williams was the last person to defeat Liston and made $100,000 for his efforts. (, Shaun Assael. The victim sought out the executioner." [94], Liston was buried at Paradise Memorial Gardens in Las Vegas, Nevada. Sad how they portrayed sonny in such a negative light he seems like a genuinely kind person. [citation needed], Rogin wrote that Patterson backers expected him to "go inside on Liston, fire away and then run like a thief in the night. The governor of nearby Maine, John Reed, stepped up and volunteered to host it in the small town of Lewiston, where a resort and ice rink could provide some infrastructure. According to a New York Times report the day after the fight, Clay was indeed an official member of the Nation of Islam. Rode with the muggers in the dark and dread and all them sluggers went down like lead. [74], Writer Gilbert Rogin assessed Liston's style and physique after his win over Zora Folley. [47] Sitting on his stool between rounds, however, Liston was breathing heavily as his cornermen worked on his cut. I was about to say look at those mitts! The FBI was on the hunt for evidence for match-fixing, given Listons mob ties mobsters still owned much of his fight promotion contract and the sports shady business model. BOXING Correction: July 15, 2005, Friday A sports picture caption on Wednesday with an article about Mark Knopfler's ballad for the boxer Sonny Liston referred incorrectly in some copies to the year in which Muhammad Ali knocked out Liston in Lewiston, Me. "[57] Those findings were confirmed in a formal investigation immediately after the fight by Florida State Attorney Richard Gerstein, who also noted that there was little doubt that Liston went into the fight with a sore or lame shoulder. Liston won 14 consecutive bouts, 13 by knockout, before fighting third-ranked Leotis Martin, previously beaten by Clark, in December 1969. Alois Stevens, suggested to Liston that he try boxing, and his obvious aptitude, along with an endorsement from Stevens, who was also a priest, aided Liston in getting an early parole. Tosches, Nick (2000). The most iconic photo in boxing history documents the knockout that almost nobody saw happen. Sonny Liston was a bad, bad guy who was also a victim, and I dont know that anyone can point to when a victim becomes a perpetrator and how much sympathy he deserves, but I also think any holistic take is fair this far in history. It burned like hell. "Now (after seeing video) I think Clay, seeing the opening, snapped the punch the last six inches. Carwin probably wasn't even that tall. . The World Boxing Association one of several boxing organizations was not too pleased, moving to strip Ali of his title and advising states not to agree to host the rematch. Charles L. "Sonny" Liston (c. 1930 - December 30, 1970) was an American professional boxer who competed from 1953 to 1970. [12], Liston never complained about prison, saying he was guaranteed three meals every day. Known for his powerful punch, the majority of his victories were knockouts. In the 2001 film Ali, Liston was portrayed by former WBO Heavyweight Champion Michael Bentt. Only Massachusetts was willing to host the fight, though it was delayed from November 1964 to May 1965 so that Ali could recover from hernia surgery. With the proceeds, he traveled to St. Louis to live with his mother. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Tale of the tape: Fight poster for Sonny Liston v Cassius Clay in 1964. . No, I'm Alexanderhe's no Alexander. I was down but not hurt, but I looked up and saw Ali standing over me. Liston was knocked down in the first round, but came back to control the next two rounds and had Griffin hanging on at the end. In "Song for Sonny Liston," Knopfler's voice is backed by electric guitar, a bass and drums as he tells the story of a sharecropper's son who went from prison to the championship to an early. In The Greatest, the 1977 film about the life of boxer Muhammad Ali in which Ali played himself, Liston was portrayed by Roger E. Mosley.
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