It gets so tiresome. Some will likely say that Breeze Airways proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, with so many pilots furloughed or laid off. Many young girls and guys want to be a flight attendant from 20-65 or older. Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), Here is JetBlue Airways pilot pay scale for the same airplane. Starbucks employees don't plan on a career there, but they love the culture and it offers them a launching pad. I'm a 'union guy' for sure. @Robert. Can't wait to see more innovation!! People can't really be this stupid. AFTER 4 YEARS YOUR CONTRACT IS OVER AND CANNOT BE RENEWED. Second, the amount of flights they'll even have to offer in their first year or two is relatively small but not surprising for the type of flying they're doingie. of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. *The whole "Home Monthly" is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. The salary is 22.50 an hour sounds good but there is so much you don't get paid for that other airlines do. There is nothing wrong with it: young doctors tend to be closest to what's cutting edge and have read the latest medical studies and literature. Now as you can tell, I am giddy with enthusiasm and by the prospects if I'm selected for the internship! Or the app crashing? Most helpful comments ( as chosen by the OMAAT community ). There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. You can't have a million dollar dream with minimum wage work ethics. These days she brings home a little bit more than that: she earned it. The offered wages are above-average ates in the United States. Scary and for sure a company that will NEVER see me on any of there planes! document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); My neighbor is in this program. Off topic, sorry. Unfortunatetly, US travel and passenger fare remains an uncertainty. Then there are the wages and hours questions. (Example: last day of training in Chicago they say you're assigned to Newark. *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. Or maybe the extension to San Francisco's Oakland Bay Bridge, built entirely in China, shipped across the ocean in pieces, and bolted together by 100% American union labor for a living wage. Our point-to-point network means no connections for an easier, quicker and nicer journey. Split a very inexpensive room with one or two others and have a fun time. And in the interview say no thanks pay to low and walk out. Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! NGPA Expo - February 9-10 in PSP Booth 525, Women in Aviation - February 23-25 in LGB - Booth 549, TPNx April 21-22 in MCO, Currently hiring E190/195 and A220 First Officers, E190/195 Captains, and Australian Pilots that hold or have previously held an E-3 visa, New hire classes every month for the E190/195 and A220, Scheduled passenger service on the E190/195 flying consists of day trips (no overnights) with limited flying on Tuesday and Wednesday, Charter business is very robust on the E190/195 Charter flights may operate any day of the week, A220 operates a traditional schedule 7 days per week, Significant growth and expansion planned over the next 5 years, Breeze flies to 30+ cities from coast to coast, Eight A220s delivered as of August 2022 - 73 more to be delivered and options for 40 more, Ejet fleet projected to grow to 30 by 2025, A220 fleet is projected to grow to nearly 60 by the end of 2025, A new training center opened in SLC with one E190/195 simulator and one A220 simulator, $200 million in funding was raised in August of 2021. hide. may be it is totally moronic. I could not afford to live in SFO and couldn't find another crashpad with openings unless I hot racked. Is Breeze Airways pilot pay unreasonable? 3.Enough may feel that this is just fine for 1-2 years. Pilots from Compass and Expressjet will flock to Breeze to maintain currency. . When I spoke to Utah Valley Univ recruiters they hinted heavily the program was designed for the under 25 crowd. Because it is an opportunity to teach them the skills to land a career or job that they would not have otherwise had a chance for. Even the ME3 flight attendants start on a salary of around $3,000 per month plus housing and that is tax-free. For a college student, this beats the shit out of working at the mall. Interesting model. Eight months later our crashpad lease expired. Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. The new carrier, founded by serial aviation entrepreneur David Neeleman first teased the idea, code-named Moxy, in mid-2018. Employees pay for their school and housing, but Breeze gets the tax savings. As in, Gompers? And was told that 90% would be "turns", out and back same day - no layovers. Founded in 2018, Breeze Airways was advertised to become the Worlds Nicest Airline. Within a few years, she decided ENT surgery would be somewhat more interesting work and spent more than a decade training up at a resident wages that most union folk would scoff at. Once the market rebounds they will have to adjust the MMG to remain competitive. This year is unique in pilots employment, but when the majors start hiring again, they will love poaching all the pilots from Breeeze! less than daily to leisure/small markets. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition. I have worked with underpaid and undermotivated staff, and it s not pretty: for the staff, the management, the investors and the customers. So much whining and squealing. I was one of them 20 years ago but was not treated close to as bad as this sounds. The sharpest students looking for a college education do not choose online learning only from a second-tier state school. First Officer 1st year $89 and $130 in year six. It's not like America's legacy airlines are immune to hiring very young, very inexperienced people. I could have worked for the also defunct Pilgrim Airlines. After taxes and insurance I . So theyre going to get experienced pilots (somewhat), that are already typed, with 1K hrs of 121 time (most likely), not have to pay initial or differences training for them, then pay them sh. Time away from home and on duty? However, in reality thats not hugely different than the schedules that flight attendants work at other airlines full time. The article also fails to factor in per diem amounts and the tax advantage that goes with that. I'm not sure anything this post really supports the hypothesis that they're underpaid. Attn: Airline Pilot Central And I agree with the fellow poster RE: all very young kids, limited work experience not what Id want in an emergency. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? Learn about Breeze Airways culture, salaries, benefits, work-life balance, management, job security, and more. Years ago right out of college I worked as a contractor on-site at one of the biggest technology companies in the world. Of course, I know plenty of poor souls that wont have a choice. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. So Breeze may hire twentysomethings and train them, so what? Would much rather have spent my time working for peanuts high in the sky, and jetting to interesting places. Expect PGD, IAG, SFB, ORH, RFD, PIT and to change seasonally. This article mentions and quotes minimum monthly guarantee, but fails to show the pay for picking up extra flying. It's that, or FO Adam absolutely nailed it. Housing and travel to/from work provided. CORRECTION for the above; should be as follows: - like airlines based in countries that still allow for hiring and firing based on age., Apologies for the error! At the end of the day your skill set is only worth what the market will pay. David Neeleman, the founder of Breeze Airways, also started JetBlue not too long ago, but the pilot payscale for both companies is quite different. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency. In the end I wish people would stop looking at every opportunity through their own eyes and realize that not every job has to be a union job or a job with all the perks of a career. Its unfair pay but it is a fun job and these are weird times. they are transparent. Lots of waiting around and prep time. Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor policy for flight attendants just so happens to be maintaining a youthful labor force as seniors depart from - er graduate - their internships and are replaced by freshmen (and women; the term fresh was intentionally omitted as that does not exactly present well given the context). Four major career destroying events in 20 years. He is probably right in both those factors. 2. Breeze vs. JetBlue pilot pay Here's JetBlue's Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: First officers are paid $89 per hour in year one, and $130 per hour in year six Captains are paid $192 per hour in year one, and $203 per hour in year six Pilots are guaranteed pay for 75 hours per month of flying In other words: I have no doubts in How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms and during spring break we slept 12 to a hotel room. Maybe we should let other adults be adults, and them have the freedom to figure out what works well for their own lives. Breeze has started hiring pilots, and its making pay at some regional airlines look lucrative by comparison (and keep in mind pilots often work at regional airlines to gain experience, and eventually get a job at one of the major carriers). Our business address is: less than daily to leisure/small markets. It seems their target is laid off pilots from Regionals that either furloughed them or the regionals that went under outright. Wasn't aware of breeze low pay scale. It is obvious that ,"Your Highness" doesn't appreciate the one class of employees that can encourage repeat business - because flight attendants are the ONLY employees that have a constant interaction with customers. It's funny, isn't it the view of things changes upon where you're standing. New airline Breeze Airways releases hourly wage numbers. They had over a hundred applicants. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. Contract of Carriage. Highest paying job titles at Breeze Airways include Back-End Software Engineer, Director, Financial Reporting, and Technical Program Manager Total value of jobs: $12,985,000 Total Jobs: 3. The airline is expected to start selling tickets any day now, and I know many of us are curious about what the Salt Lake City-based carriers first routes will be.